we don't mean it but that's a guarantee to get america's money. they play us like a fiddle and we play the tune. >> you give them money, they act nice for a couple weeks and then back doing the same thing. this is a big problem. have you to at least use it -- have you to threaten them to try doing the right thing. stop the military killing people. >> that would be the first proviso. you would say, stop killing. good beginning. >> good beginning. bigger point, where is this money going anyhow? who gets it? over so many decades, dictators take the money, they don't flourish it on the money they build palaces and castles. >> when we talk about pulling the money out, though, you assume that that vacuum would be filled with greater diplomacy and greater leadership in this country. well, we haven't had that with the money, so why is that going to improve if the money -- >> if we don't give them money, we're not compounding it. i know, dagen, we can't buy anyone's love but i don't want to put a deposit on their hate. >> we get a lot of hate. >> where doe